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Published on July 6th, by Madhudvisa dasa Full size image. The mantras and procedures appear to be correct and in accordance with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada except for one very important mistake in the procedures for making offerings to the Deities. You manufacture ideas and then I have to waste my time.
I have given you everything already, there is no need for you to add anything or change anything. Why you are asking these things? Who has given you such freedom? And guru offers to his guru. We have no right. Neither He accepts in that way. That is the process. That is not possible. This is the system Srila Prabhupada teaches us for offering bhoga to the Deities.
We are to first offer it to Srila Prabhupada and he will offer it to his spiritual master and in this way it will go to Krishna through the disciplic succession. So the GBC came up with a new system for offering prasadam to the Deities. And this new system is described in this book on page 30 which reads:.
Then at the end, after the offering, we meditate that Srila Prabhupada and your spiritual master, where appropriate, are taking taking the remnants both in Krishna-lila and Gaura-lila after all the associates have taken. This is unfortunately completely bogus, a complete concoction. Srila Prabhupada warned us in a letter to Dhruvananda:. It is very unlikely that the bhoga is being accepted by the Deities when offered in this concocted way.
Otherwise this book appears to be a very valuable guide to the process of Deity Worship as established by Srila Prabhupada. Your email address will not be published. Notify me when new comments are added. I have a question, when normal food is being offered, not in front deities, should we offer it to Prabhupada? I am pretty new and as far as i know it is offered directly to Krsna. Even if the food [bhoga] is being offered in the temple it is supposed to be offered to Srila Prabhupada.
We can not offer anything directly to Krishna. That is not the system. That is not the way Krishna accepts offerings. We offer to our spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, he offers to his spiritual master, Srila Bhaktsiddhanta, he offers to his spiritual master, etc.
In this way the offering goes to Krishna through the disciplic succession. So the bhoga must always be offered to Srila Prabhupada, never offered directly to Krishna. Krishna will not accept an offering directly from us. Krishna has sent his pure devotees to the material world to guide us and to accept offerings on his behalf. That is the way.
So you need to always offer to Srila Prabhupada and he will offer to Krishna through the disciplic succession. I have had a lot of direct instruction from Srila Prabhupada on the matter of Deity Worship.
You can read it for yourself. It is not in one place but spread throughout the whole teachings of Srila Prabhupada. If you read everything. All books, letters, listen to all classes, lectures, conversations, etc. Basically this book, published by Krishna Balaram Temple, is the Archan Padanti which Srila Prabhupada was asking Pradyumnya to translate and simplify many times but somehow he did not do it. Later it was published by Jayatirtha. So that is the source of this book. The deity worship system established by Srila Prabhupada was a little simpler.
But that is basically what this book is and that is what Prabhupada asked for. I have seen it over the years that the Deity Worship in ISKCON has been complicated and they have invented special pujaris which they seem to find necessary to import from India.
Then deity worship was something any Brahminicaly initiated devotee could do. So the point is it has to be established according to the time and place and according to the devotees. When Srila Prabhupada first installed the Jagannatha Deities in San Fransisco the deity worship was just waving a candle at the Deities and gradually it developed.
So I am not sure what is your interest in this? Is it that you want to do deity worship yourself in your own house? Or what is is that you want to know. I am only a neophyte devotee having been given second initiation in and have never known any method than the one I am using now. That includes asking my Gurudev to basically allow me to be his hands and showing him each upacara before it is offered. We have some pujaris here at New Talavana who have much more and longer experience than I do and I will ask them about this as well.
Dear devotees of our Lord Krishna, please forgive me if, in this conversation I have committed any offense. It is only because of my own sinfulness and my desire to become a real devotee that I sometimes become over zealous. Until then the arotikas and offerings were done the way Srila Prabhupada wanted. I also travelled to several temples in NA last summer…and guess what? My empathy to Jaya Gopala Prabhu.
Yes, it is indeed disconcerting to see this kind of discussion going on. Again, with bales of straw in my mouth, I must wonder if the tenor of this dispute is appropriate among vaishnavas? Please accept that statement from a well meaning sinner. I know where this system came from. Prabhupada has warned us that if the deity worship system he established in ISKCON is changed then everything will be spoiled.
Srila Prabhupada clearly teaches that we offer everything to him and then he offers to Srila Bhaktsiddhanta and so on and in this way the offering goes to Krisha through the disciplic succession. That is not the way. Very strong in prabhupada orders but I have been looking on how to worship Lord Jagannath deities as well as Prabhupada murti the murti already has clothes painted on.
I have looked all over and its all iskcon manual stuff written in the s and on and the few things I do find from prabhupada letters he states the deities should be bathed in mantras which I do not understand and etc.
Please can someone help me with: How do I bathe the deities and murti? If I even do bathe them? I am getting my deities and murti in a few days. I am scared to commit an a offense and want to do the best I can in worshiping.
Get the deity worship manual… The principle is the same for all the different deities, only the mula mantra is different. But Lord Jagannatha is very merciful so you can start with simple worship. Without these basic things you can not expect to do anything successfully in Krishna consciousness.
And if you are sincerely doing these basic things Lord Jagannatha will accept whatever service you can offer. You have to at least have some kirtan in front of the deities daily and make some nice offering and offer some simple aroti. And if you start with this you can increase as time goes on….
You misunderstand the system of offering and you should actually go to India and see the way traditional Vaisnavas perform sastra authorized deity worship.
Plus it is not true that the system of taking permission from the guru and then offering everything first to the Lord arose in the from the GBC. Srila Prabhupada in fact saw and approved of the Arcana Paddhati in in Mumbai before his departure. Please read your Vedabase. You are mistaken Prabhu. You know Prabhu that Prabhupada teaches us that all offerings are to be made to the spiritual master as it is the position of the spiritual master to accept the offerings from the disciples and in turn he will offer the same to his spiritual master and in this way the offerings go from the disciples to Krishna via the disciplic succession.
What makes you think that you are more intelligent than Srila Prabhupada? We are servants of Srila Prabhupada and we accept his orders and his instructions on how to worship the Deities.
Even though Srila Prabhupada repetitively explains that Krishna does not accept like this. We offer to our spiritual master and he offers through the disciplic succession and then everything goes to Krishna. Not that you can directly offer to Krishna.
You have no idea about the history yourself Prabhu. So he wanted this book in his physical presence, but a very short-cut version. You openly admit that your teachings oppose the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
In your mind the Gaudiya Matha is right and Prabhupada is wrong. You can be sure that what Srila Prabhupada is teaching is bona fide and in line with the actual teachings of Srila Bhaktsiddhanta and what the Gaudiya Math is teaching is not. We have to follow the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. So where does that put you? Kindly reply. You can get the complete deity worship manual of how they worship Sri Sri Krishna Balaram at Vrindavan here:.
Sri Gaura-govinda-archana-paddhati (with Hindi Translation)
We are not sure that Pradyumna will come in time. This was done two summers ago now when I was in Vrndabana. It took about one month of constant work which was going on in the room just next to mine and being the head pujari at the time I came by the original manuscript. The proof copy was delivered to Srila Prabhupada in Mayapura and was okayed by him with the instruction that Jayatirtha Prabhu edit it down to seventy-five pages. Many temples have been authorized to implement some of the changes already so since we have the book and some first hand knowledge of the worship we must do it now.
Archana paddhati pdf
Published on July 6th, by Madhudvisa dasa Full size image. The mantras and procedures appear to be correct and in accordance with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada except for one very important mistake in the procedures for making offerings to the Deities. You manufacture ideas and then I have to waste my time. I have given you everything already, there is no need for you to add anything or change anything. Why you are asking these things?
Sri Sri Gaura Radha-Madhava And the Temple of Misunderstanding
Deity Worship Manual from Krishna Balarama Temple